I have created this thread because Gossamer has tried to turn it into a debate. The Research Methods thread was set up by me as a way of helping people who might want help in that area. I post here Gossamers last message and my response and I ask her to keep debating comment here so that the educational theme of the Research Method thread is not changed.

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Originally Posted by Gossamer skye (Post 1139083)
Given to how you form an end termination on any subject, such for instance misquoting me above as having dismissed 'them' to 'no sense' I can only wonder what it is you deem proper and worth-while when your ability to read, comprehend and comment on a simple paragraph is rather convoluted --

Hugo - I did not misquote you, you said "..of the above only emotional intelligence is about the only book with some common sense" it is your reading the is at fault not mine.

I have merely pointed out one book as standing out from the list, rather than dismissing the lot. Some of the books on ethics can be better substituted with one comprehensive book on practical ethics, and when it comes to philosophy, well frankly western philosophy is far inferior, it is best to study it under proper scrutiny.. that is if anyone is taking the time to read your comprehensive list to begin with.

Hugo - by all means suggest a book on ethics and whether it can be a better substitute as an introductory text is a matter of opinion. These is no such thing as Western philosophy as far as I know and what it might be inferior to, you do not say.

Now my conclusion was ****d not only on what you have written here, but rather your inability to answer simple questions of logic and history on another thread, those following it, know exactly which one!

Hugo - please be precise and tell us which posts are involved.
Indeed, I have suggested a better text. Having spent a great deal of time into the study of ethics and epidemiology myself. Life is about (amongst other things) making life easier for others, not drowning them in jargon. That is if indeed you were interested in a positive response to what you suggest!

Hugo - better in what sense? Mary Warnock was a professor at Cambridge and led and wrote a Government study on medical ethics. I think therefore she probably knows at least as much and probably more about it than you do.

all such principles are essentially drawn from religion. Psychology is a very esoteric branch of science, and many of its roots can be found in the most basic, fundamentals of any religion or ideology-- it certainly wasn't coined by that branch of science.. save for coining the terms!

Hugo - Mary Warnock in her work speaks of the debt ethics has to religious ******** because often its the only place one can find the words that are needed. Whether as you seem to suggest everything comes from religion I have my doubts unless one consider non-belief as one.

Indeed.. 'liberal democracy' is at odds with basic religious tenets.. and I believe I have stated, anyone is free to read it.. Liberal democracy has paved the way for the degeneracy of society, going after the very fiber of its being, the single unit that makes the whole (families) If any proffered view point clashes with the the prophet's own guidelines, either explicitly or otherwise, it becomes objectionable; in this light, even the writings of devout Muslims maybe rejected if they lack merit. This selectively lies in the heart of Ibn Sirin's golden rule 9d.110 A.H. 728 C.E)

Hugo - which religious tenets? I can see that what you say here is totally undemocratic and to my mind can lead to oppression because no discussion is allowed and in any case who is to decide that a work 'lacks merit'?

"this knowledge constitutes your deen (religion) so be wary of whom you take your religion from" This can be logically assessed but is now too expansive for the purposes of this thread.. By all means, I'd in fact prefer that Muslims read such books, so they'd know better how certain ideologies are infiltrating and corrupting their deen!

By Hugo - I cannot quite see how any book I listed could possibly be called an Idealogical threat. At least I am encouraged that you are happy for anyone to read any book because as Marie Currie once said: "nothing is to be feared only understood"

Indeed good books are good books regardless
1- one should save others a legion of worthless info, if one can

Hugo - I cannot understand the point being made above

2- one should have a good variety from which to choose (given your own view points and biases) I have merely given my insight of the works that I have read

Hugo - we all have bias, no one is free from that though we can be aware of our own and so be more open and honest. In the book list one supposed my bias is exposed as I would hardly recommend a book I though worthless so I am not sure what possible point you are making

3- I have in fact endorsed some of the books you have posted as extremely important, thus leaving me at a loss of where you have concluded that I am making it a Jewish/Atheist/Islamic issue?

Hugo - I think you are inventing this as I cannot see where I even hinted at this. You I think endorsed one book.

4- I have offered a better substitute on matters of ethics as per every day practical uses, from a Non-Muslim source...

Hugo - where is it then, you gave no proper reference that I can find and when we read it we can judge if its netter or not, its not you place to decide for us is it

Perhaps if one examines your intentions more closely, and superimposes it on your opinion from previous threads, you'd better understand, why one might interject such a thread with another point of view...

Hugo - my intention was to offer some help and advice on research methods. I have spend many years professionally helping large numbers of Muslim students in this area and not one of them has even ever suggested I had some sort of ulterior motive. What I say in other threads on a different matters is not relevant here. It is if I may say so, your paranoia that leads you to suggest such a thing seeing ulterior motives everywhere.

other than that it is a free forum and everyone is free to participate with what they think it useful.. Or are you afraid of something and seeking to make an issue out of a non-issue?

All the best

Hugo - sadly, I think it is you that is making it an issue and what you might be afraid of in this thread I cannot say.